Now forgetting ICEL, or the manifold abuses existing with respect to the Kyrie, we will go straight to the Latin of the Novus Ordo. There are several options for it. The first: Kyrie eleison twice, Christe eleison twice, Kyrie Eleison ...

A long time ago I began a series that I was never able to finish called "Forgetting ICEL". The point of the series was to show that it is not sufficient to refute the NO merely on the grounds of ICEL, because its apologists can refer back .... Secondly when it is used, it replaces the penitential rite, both the Kyrie and those other made up formulas which originate not in tradition but in committee. This doesn't make any sense. Why should something traditional be replaced ...

Athanasius and St. Bernard and Pope St. Leo the Great and Pope St. Gregory the Great, it calls into question the very existence of the Church." Why should the 16th century be the point beyond which we can't go? ...